by Robert Malone MD MS, Who Is Robert Malone:
Part 2 of an interview with the New American Magazine
From Part I – the interview left of with the big question of who is the puppet master? What’s behind all this propaganda and control over the past three years? I spoke of different theories that people had put out there, and ended with the beginning of the hypothesis that the CIA may in fact be that controlling element. Part II picks up the thesis there.
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From Part I: Dr. Robert Malone: We <Bret Weinstein, Steve Kirsch and myself> talked about emergent phenomena, that this might just be the consequence of simultaneous things happening and separate actors acting on their own initiatives, and the result would be a vector sum of things (controlling the propaganda and globalized governmental policies). I’ve never felt comfortable with that as an explanation for why we would see this amazing harmonization of propaganda, censorship, messaging strategies, technical strategies like the purchasing of influencers, et cetera, globally.
Then, a colleague … a close colleague of mine who actually employs a former director of the CIA were discussing who is the puppet master? What’s behind all this? We had a discussion in which he related a conversation with his employee (former DCIA) regarding the global power and reach of the CIA, in which the former DCIA concluded that the CIA was currently the most powerful organization in the world, perhaps the most powerful global organization in human history. This is one of those things I haven’t wanted to believe…
Part II
If you are subjected on a daily basis to this advanced technology of nudging and information control and censorship, control of narrative, <governments and NGO> cooperating with press, cooperating with social media so that every single thing you encounter is manipulated to support the agenda and the narrative of whomever the dominant force is that is propagating this? How can you come to any autonomous conclusion about what should be done?
Why would any American citizen want to believe that their country was intimately involved in potentially driving this whole COVID crisis? I can’t imagine that. And yet I keep seeing signs of our intelligence community and particularly Five Eyes alliance (with GCHQ in the UK) being deeply involved, and appearing to be the primary driver. For instance, MI6 (The Secret Intelligence Service of the United Kingdom which is involved with the covert overseas collection and analysis of human intelligence) being involved in the editing of Wikipedia including my own entries, as well as anything having to do with Ivermectin. The reveals from Australia, New Zealand, and particularly Canada, about the involvement of each of their departments of defense organizations in deployment of these very aggressive fifth-generation warfare campaigns against their own citizens. The Nudge Units in the UK, the harmonization of messaging, particularly in methods deployed across the Five Eyes nations, and as we’ve often previously explained as well, they planned it all out during Event 201, which was sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Maybe that’s why that all happened.
Veronica : The WHO and the Johns Hopkins University.
Dr. Robert Malone: Right, the Johns Hopkins has, particularly that unit, a longstanding affiliation with the CIA and then…
Veronica : They have their tentacles everywhere nationally? Oh my gosh.
Dr. Robert Malone: Absolutely. Okay. I’m talking to this with my colleague and he says, “Robert, you know?” As I mentioned, this gentleman happens to employ a former director of the CIA. He said, “I asked my colleague, my worker the other day. Does he think the CIA is the most powerful organization in the world right now?” And the gentleman thought about it for a while and he said,
“Yes, it is. “(The CIA) may be the most powerful organization in the history of humankind, globally.”
Okay. The CIA.
I run into people saying this in Europe, my European friends often… well, there are various fringe political elements. Many are socialists. So, I always discounted what they would say, but they would say that, for instance, Italy has two masters. They’re Brussels – the European Union, and the CIA. When they would say CIA, my internal dialog was like, “State Department maybe. United States government maybe, why CIA?”
The CIA is an organization that would have the capability to deploy this. This is an organization that did found the World Economic Forum, that’s well documented. This is an organization that was intimately involved in what was going on at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This is an organization that, through its former employee (and still intimately integrated) Dr. Michael Callahan, was busy spreading disinformation to me in real time. I experienced that as a first-person experience. And then I’ve had various third parties come to me and share various information about what they’ve observed within “the agency”. That’s what led me finally to the tipping point of coming to the conclusion that I can’t explain the cascade of events any other way, other than concluding that our intelligence community and the extended Five Eyes alliance were at the center of all of this.
Veronica : If so, what were they trying to accomplish?
Dr. Robert Malone: I’ve just gone through basically hypothesis testing and what are the data supporting it? And now you’re asking me about motivation, which I always resist, but I’m going to speculate.
Number one: as I mentioned on Bannon, one of the things that is true about the modern intelligence community, the CIA, is its hyper compartmentalized. We have bureaucracies, administrative groups within this structure that are semi-autonomous, and even more so because of In-Q-Tel. It is a fact that the CIA through DARPA created Moderna. In-Q-Tel continues to capitalize the development and deployment of mRNA vaccines. The mRNA vaccine technology is intimately linked to the intelligence community. For whatever reason, they have selected this as their horse that they’re going to ride for medical countermeasure development and rapid response.
Veronica : I’m sorry, all mRNA vaccines or only Moderna?
Dr. Robert Malone: All mRNA vaccines. This was another thread that I was surprised to learn about is Scott Gottlieb of Pfizer-
Veronica : /FDA.
Dr. Robert Malone: Yes- Formerly FDA. He has strong intelligence community ties and he directly intervened with US policy at a point in time when there was a sudden shift from an emphasis on Moderna to Pfizer, and I know from other colleagues that have contacted me during this outbreak that sat on the management committee for Moderna for Operation Warp Speed, that it was not Moderna managing that product. It was the US government/DoD managing that product development.
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