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The Road To World War 3: Russia And Ukraine Are Now Engaged In A Shooting War

by Michael Snyder, Economic Collapse Blog:

Russian soldiers and Ukrainian soldiers are now shooting at each other in eastern Ukraine.  Could this conflict ultimately lead us down the road to World War 3?  This week, a very robust force of “tanks, artillery and infantry” has opened up a “third front” in the Ukrainian civil war in a part of southeastern Ukraine that had not seen much fighting yet.  Exhausted Ukrainian forces are suddenly being pushed back rapidly and many outsiders are wondering how the nearly defeated rebels were able to muster such impressive military strength all of a sudden.  But it really isn’t much of a mystery.  The tanks, artillery and infantry came from inside Russia.  In recent days, Ukrainian units have captured ten Russian paratroopers and there have even been funerals for Russian paratroopers that have been killed in action back home in Russia.  Even though it has become exceedingly obvious that Russia is now conducting a stealth invasion of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin is still choosing to deny it.  But if he did publicly admit it, that would be even more dangerous.  Barack Obama would be forced into a position of either having to do something about the Russian invasion or look weak in the eyes of the public.  And as the Russians have already shown, they are more than willing to match any move that the Obama administration makes.

There has already been much written about who is to blame for all of this, and I am sure that much more will be written about who is to blame in the future.  The western world is blaming “Russian aggression” for the mess in Ukraine.    In return, the Russians point out that it was westerners that funded and organized the groups that violently overthrew the democratically-elected government of Ukraine.  To the Russians, the current government of Ukraine is made up of neo-Nazi terrorist usurpers that are attempting to brutally oppress millions of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine.

So the Russians seem themselves as “the good guys” in this conflict and so does the western world.  But that is how most wars start.  Both sides usually feel morally justified at the start of a conflict.

In the final analysis, however, is it really going to matter very much who was “right” and who was “wrong” if the end result is World War 3?

If the rebels in eastern Ukraine had been able to defeat the Kiev government forces on their own, Putin probably would have been content to let them do that.  But instead, they had been pushed back to two major cities and seemed on the verge of defeat.

But now it is the Ukrainian forces that are experiencing “panic and wholesale retreat”

Tanks, artillery and infantry have crossed from Russia into an unbreached part of eastern Ukraine in recent days, attacking Ukrainian forces and causing panic and wholesale retreat not only in this small border town but a wide swath of territory, in what Ukrainian and Western military officials are calling a stealth invasion.

The attacks outside this city and in an area to the north essentially have opened a new, third front in the war in eastern Ukraine between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russian separatists, along with the fighting outside the cities of Donetsk and Luhansk.

How is this happening?

It is the Russians of course.

In fact, if you talk to Ukrainian soldiers, they are very clear on who they are fighting now…

“I tell you they are Russians, but this is what proof I have,” said Sgt. Aleksei Panko, holding up his thumb and index finger to form a zero. Sergeant Panko estimated about 60 armored vehicles crossed near Novoazovsk. “This is what happened: they crossed the border, took up positions and started shooting.”

The Ukrainian Vinnytsia brigade met the cross-border advance over the six miles of countryside separating Novoazovsk from the Russian border, but later retreated to the western edge of town along the Rostov-Mariupol highway, where soldiers were collapsed in exhaustion on the roadside. “This is now a war with Russia,” Sergeant Panko said.

And as I mentioned above, Ukrainian forces have even captured ten Russian paratroopers.  Rather than denying who they are, the Russian government is claiming that they wandered into Ukraine by mistake

Ten Russian soldiers were detained in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, that country’s Security Service said Tuesday, as tensions simmered over the conflict between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russian rebels.

The Russian soldiers were captured with documents and weapons on them, the Security Service said.

Moscow has repeatedly denied claims by Kiev that it has sent troops and weapons over the border into Ukraine, where the Ukrainian military is fighting pro-Russian rebels.

Russia’s state-run RIA Novosti news agency cited a source in the Russian Defense Ministry as saying the soldiers had been patrolling the border and “most likely crossed by accident” at an unmarked point.

The denials that Russian forces are actively operating inside eastern Ukraine have become so absurd that even some in the Russian press are openly questioning them.  For example, just check out this excerpt from a USA Today article that was posted on Wednesday…

Vedomosti, a liberal business daily, published an editorial Wednesday on events in Ukraine under the headline, “Are We Fighting?”

It noted the recent capture of the Russian soldiers on Ukrainian territory and reports of “mysterious funerals” of Russian soldiers, some of whom are officially counted dying during training exercises.

“The number of questions that hang in the air of the dead and detained Russian troops on the territory of Ukraine has reached a critical number. Does Russia fight in Ukraine and, if so, on what grounds? If not, then who is in those freshly dug graves or giving testimony at SBU (Russian Security service) interrogations?”

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6 comments to The Road To World War 3: Russia And Ukraine Are Now Engaged In A Shooting War

  • Michael Synder, you just destroyed your previous reputation for objective reporting. This is bullshit. The ten captured Russians were on border patrol not paratroopers according to Russia. Your supposedly reliable sources are the Ukrainian army which continually lies about a Russian invasion for the last several weeks. Why give them any credibility?
    And then you refer to a USA Today article. That surely isn’t biased. You better stick to economics if you want to retain any shred of credibility.

    • Meat Eater


      East Ukraine was West Russia a few years ago. If Texas was ceeded to Mexico, and if the Mexican Army, backed by thugs like the drugs cartel, started commiting genocide on the ethnic American people, how many trained and experienced American Veterans would go and fight on the side of Texans?

      Thats what is now happening in Ukraine.

  • FreedomFighter

    Im not surprised the western media dose not show the true info whats going on in eastern ukraine, 7-8,000 UK troops are SURROUNDED! many flee to russia or surrender to Donetsk/Lugansk Freedom fighters (freedom from Kiev western control) Here is a good clip shows AUG 28 fighting, clearing a city from Ukrainian right sector (pro nazi) group in rail road station:

    Another good source is:

  • Meat Eater

    I have had a bit of down time recently which has allowed me to catch up on world events and even type into comment boxes (for those who know, the gangs on my street have been decimated for some reason, so need for me to maintain constant vigilance at the moment).

    Some important context is needed on this story, and similar stories which I hope to briefly give here.

    Russians invading Ukraine?

    Yes and no.

    It is essential to be mindful that ‘East Ukraine’ was once ‘Western Russia’, it was only recently that the region was seeded to Ukraine.

    This is sort of like Texas being handed over to the Mexicans, but with most Texans remaining.

    East Ukraine region is worked by Kiev and is (was) controlled by Kiev, but was for all intents still an ‘ethnic’ Russian province. They keept the Russian Language and maintained Russian communities and customs (a bit like Texans choosing to keep speaking English and live in ‘American’ communities whilst under Mexican rule and control).

    Some farmers in Ukraine still farmed accross the border into Russia, and Russian farmers farmed accross into Ukraine. The borders were open and unmarked and the farmers carried on working thier historic pastures and fields.

    Many East Ukrainians have relatives and friends who have served in the Russian military. These ‘Vets’, along with many other Russian veterans are not happy with the genocide (and that is an accurate word and legally recognised description) of ethnic Russians in east Ukraine by fanatic western-backed neo-nazis and oligarch paid for foreign mercenaries.

    Many of these vets have freely walked accross the border and have chosen to serve in the resistance. Many serving soldiers in the Ukrainian Army have also decided to either return to barracks (leaving thier weapons and equipment for the resistance) or join the resistance.

    Kiev had initially benefitted from all the intellegence, satalite imagery, and logistical support NATO could provide, allowing them to decimate large civillian centres and resistance centres alike with heavy weaopns.

    Now that so many trained and experienced Russian military personal are joining the resistance, Kiev, even with NATO support has stalled in thier genocide attempts.

    How many trained and experienced American Veterans would go and fight on the side of Texans if the Mexican Army, backed by thugs like the drugs cartel, were commiting genocide on the ethnic American people?

    My guess would be in the thousands. They would also likely go with tactical gear and army surplus equipment too, perhaps even driving accross some old cold war armor too.

    When the Russian Army really gets involved in Ukraine we will all know about it.

  • Angel

    Claims of a Russian invasion of Ukraine percolate about once every week or so, but never amount to anything but empty accusations. Show some proof! But I suppose Soetoro and his Nazi bitches in Kiev figure if they repeat a lie offer enough, the sheeple will eventually believe it. Hmmm, where have we heard that before?

    As if the lies coming out of Kiev and DC weren’t bad enough, the Russia-haters in the “liberty” movement (Hodges, Slavo, Skousen and others), who never stopped fighting the Cold War, are sure to keep the propaganda mill working at full bore in favor of the Western fascists. And now Snyder steps up to the plate repeating unsubstantiated accusations.

    Now, that’s not to say Russia won’t eventually send in forces in some manner. in fact, I certainly wouldn’t doubt that Russian advisers have been operating inside Ukraine for months. And considering the brutality that Russians inside Ukraine have had to contend with, an invasion may very well be justified anyway, but would clearly be turned into a political football, and a very dangerous one at that. But Putin is a patient man as well as an astute chess player, and knows full well how to handle these matters.

    According to RT, there ARE thousands of Russian VOLUNTEERS serving in a military capacity and assisting pro-Russian separatists inside Ukraine, but that’s a far cry from an official military invasion (how many is that now?) sanctioned by Putin.

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