My good friend Steve Lendman of SJLendman.blogspot.com joins us to discuss his article “Impeach Obama: A National Imperative”. Steve and I absolutely 100% agree that Barack Obama is a criminal and a traitor to the Constitutional principles that founded America, and that he should be impeached immediately. However, where Stephen and I do not see eye to eye is on the topic of gun control. I try my best to convince Steve that the Second Amendment is there so that WE THE PEOPLE can throw of Obama’s criminal government, or any other Imperial government, should the need arise.
Hey SGT,
to be honest, didn’t have a chance to watch the full 25 minutes of this latest video posting, but had a few findings wanted to communicate to you.
One of which, you and many people motivated to research the available information, may have heard of Cerberus (the 3-headed dog fronting the gates of hell) & financial management company. Its founder Steve Feinberg has guided it to many widespread acquisitions, but specifically there was a focused takeover of firearms manufacturers from 2006 to 2012. Bushmaster, Remington Arms, & DPMS Panther were placed under Cerberus Financial control. They now operate under the Freedom group, but were sold off in Dec. 2012 after the sandy hook news incident. No statement has been made of whom the shares have been SOLD TO. Cerberus is selling Freedom group shares, which are major U.S. historical firearms manufacturers, to a buyer that no one knows.
Freedom group, given what its name implies, is very ironic to what it serves.
You may already be familiar with this, maybe not.
If nothing else, it’s an interesting situational speech. Dr. Ben has some guts, but doesn’t really touch on the economy or 2nd amendment in any depth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDc3Tcaom-g&feature=youtube_gdata_player
cheers SGT
Yes thanks, we did post Dr. Carson’s speech here not too long ago. But getting back to the other point you raise about Cerebus, etc. – I was hoping that was what the link you provided would be about. I’d like to post about that subject. Thanks for the comments & insight.
http://news.yahoo.com/cerberus-sell-gunmaker-freedom-group-u-school-shooting-062303957–sector.html
One of many articles on the matter. Remington, part of Freedom Arms, sells a lot of ammo to the US Government. Companies like Freedom Arms, Colt, and others that rely mainly on government contracts will be more inclined to go along with whatever the people that write their checks come up with.
There are thousands of indepentantly owned firearm manufactures. Even if some large companies fail due to market conditions or government policy, that demand will not disappear. It will be funneled into the smaller companies, which is fine with me because many of those companies are less dependent on the government. Many of the also have a strong, fundamental belief in the Second Ammendment as well.
I’m glad to see someone from the traditional left wiling to at least discuss gun control without resorting to ad homonym attacks or acusing the other side of not caring. There is a fundamental difference on this issue and each side should respect the other as long as its understood that you can’t legislate morality. I would like to see the individual States endorse a voluntary militia program for adults and young people, similar to the Swiss system. That way people could learn to correctly handle firearms and could be called up to help in emergencies if needed. Kind of like the National Guard but it has become federal and is no longer controlled by the States.
I also agree we should impeach Obama. Maybe it would send a message, maybe not. But we are not talking about gray areas here, actions have been taken that are clearly illegal under national and international law. So why can’t we hold these individuals responsible and throw them in jail? That would send a message. But we can’t because they are politicians. If we did they might have to think about something before they do it. They might have to actually read the bills they sign.
Really excellent interview, Sean. I was wondering whether you might try and get more guests on that disagree with certain positions that many of us (you share. It is one thing having a belief, but I think that belief is always stronger after it has been challenged and defended. Keep up the great work, brother.
Thanks Keith, sure, any suggestions on who? One caveat though, I have less and less time these days to do interviews so in truth, it’s tough to broaden out too much.
Maybe you could think about adding an edit/delete function for posts, too. I hate making typos.
Lendman is your typical hypocritical progressive that thinks the state can solve all problems and “make life fair” …. if only the right benevolent leader can be found and given absolute dominion over how much money we are allowed to make and how much we are allowed to keep of that vs the greater good’s needs
An attitude like that tends to indicate a VERY poor student of history and / or human nature. Such folks also tend to be much in favor of personal liberty as it applies to them but not so much when it involves the rights of others. Problem with that is that in order to even be a right, it has to be applied to all. Libs kick and squeal about the “right to choose” when abortion is the issue, and never mind that they are glad that their Mom chose life, but not when the issue is self defense. I own guns because I CHOOSE not to be defenseless in the face of armed aggression. If someone else chooses to be defenseless as their best survival option, more power to ‘em. I sincerely hope that works for them. If not, then I should not be paying additional taxes to support the result of their decision. They made it and can live with is, same as me. I’m not in favor of forcing them to have a gun if they don’t want one but they sure seem to want to force me not to have one when I do.
Dr Lendman is a compass for peace and righteousness, though I disagree on his point on gun control, I respect his opening on the subject.
Swipe typo .. opinion and not opening.
Off Topic: SGT Report, Zero Hedge, King World News and Silver Doctors are excellent web sites for ecconomic geopolitical news & insight. I salute them all!
Thanks for mentioning SGTreport in the same breath as those exceptional sources, much appreciated!
…and one more thing; KEEP STACKING!
Steve says there’s a “correlation” between guns and related deaths.
Well, there’s a “correlation” between swimming pools and swimming related deaths.
Well, there’s a “correlation” between vehicles and car-accident related deaths.
Well, there’s a “correlation” between McDonalds and heart disease related deaths.
So let’s make swimming pools, vehicles, and McDonalds illegal?
Is that a silly comparison? WHY? Swimming pools, car accidents and heart disease kill more Americans by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE! It would save SO many more lives to ban pools, make everyone ride bikes, and shut down all the McDonalds.
+10. I am really surprised by Steve’s take on this issue given the fact that he’s completely aware of how tyrannical the government is becoming. To not value the Second Amendment as the last resort fail safe that it is, I just can compute.
Because he is a progressive and at the end of the day like all progressives he is under the delusion that they can make life “fair and safe” if only the right regulations and controls are put in place and run by just the right people.
You got that right hoser, lendman is a leftist/ statist who at the end of the day does NOT believe in liberty and simply has an axe to grind with the joos
Indeed so. In fact, an excellent case can be made for the proposition that without the 2nd Amendment, NO other basic rights can be sustained. They will all fall to tyranny because none of them invoke the use of force to compel a tyrant to back off. History shows us quite clearly that ALL tyrants favor gun control because gun control is MUCH less about guns than it is about control. Besides, it is difficult to abuse the citizens when they are heavily armed but oh, so easy to do when they are not. This specific issue was clearly discussed by the Father of our country:
“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington, 1790
Given this comment from the greatest man in American history, who is to say that this is not an exceedingly wise idea? Not me and not anyone else, either.
As a final thought, let me say that there is no right that can’t be abused. Anything that can be abused WILL be abused by someone. That does not in any way confer correctness on the idea that if a right is abused, it should be taken away from those who have not abused it. Yet, that is precisely the line that the libs are selling here. No, it would be MUCH smarter to take away the rights of the person who is abusing their freedom and as a result harming others. This is what jail and hanging are all about.
By George Washington’s standards we are already disproportionately disarmed when compared to the out of control gov, by George Washington’s standards I should have sufficient arms to blow drones/fighters/bombers out of the sky, return artiliery fire, neutralize armored vehicles/tanks and maintain a nuclear deterrent, because that’s what it would take for the balance of power to be in the hands of the people. Instead I have to listen to scumbags all day tell me I’m bad for my ar15, old hunting rifles and worn but trusty shotgun, all of them pee-shooters compared to the threats that I face.
Not really, Han. Even back then, the average person did not have a brace of cannons or mortars, a ship of war and/or a stable of trained cavalry horses. The only people that had them were the very rich or juiced in–no different from today. Why? Because they were expensive as hell to acquire and maintain, and of very limited use.
What I’m saying is: if you’ve got the money, Han, and are serious about wanting those things you mention, you ARE able to acquire them. If you have the money but don’t have them, quit bitching ’cause you ain’t trying. If you don’t have the money–well, damn, the Constitution says you have the right to keep and bear…doesn’t say we have to give them to you.
In the end, your AR, hunting rifle and shotgun are all you need to get the rest of it. (That is, if a local unit doesn’t bring them to you when they remember their oath.) Meanwhile, tell the Grabbers to f–k off, and let TPTB shoulder the acquisition and maintenance costs of your heavy gear until it’s time for you and your buddies to take possession. Drones are a problem, true, but if a college kid in TX can take one over, I’m sure there’s at least a couple script kiddies in each state who have the means and can hack in to one.
I get what your saying and I don’t really want all that heavy kit, nor could I foot the bill(even though we’re paying for it already), my point is the 2nd amendment is there to in part to ward off the gov and we already are under armed and they are over armed without somebody taking my magazines away. Besides, if this country ever broke out into civil war the ar15s are the least of their problems, the bolt action scoped hunting rifles will turn this whole country into one gaint Stalingrad for anyone playing on the wrong team.
I would like to see an Amendment that makes the US neutral, makes it against the law to use the military outside the US(defence only) and makes it illeagal for the gov to own weapons we can’t. If I cannot buzz the white house with drones and choppers then they shouldn’t be able to do it to us.
Totally agree with “ar15s are the least of their problems, the bolt action scoped hunting rifles will turn this whole country into one gaint Stalingrad”, which is nothing more than a statement of fact.
Your final comment is the issue that I think might bring this all to a head: TPTB can do whatever they want since the rules and regulations they create apply only to the proletariat, not to them or their cronies.
BINGO! “TPTB can do whatever they want since the rules and regulations they create apply only to the proletariat, not to them or their cronies.” That says it all right there and applies to all facets of life, not just the gun laws. They are just a few steps away from declaring themselves royalty or divine rulers or god kings or gods or emperors or what ever fancy title that they think justifies our loss of freedom.
Great post Stefan B.
I have absolutely no respect for any anti-firearm zealot.
My response to these people is always…
“I will never give up my rights to bear arms so help me God.”
Solidarity Brother!
Exactly so, Brother. Just remember, folks… the Bill of Rights does NOT give us any rights. It merely notes that there are “natural rights” with which we are endowed by our Creator. Since these rights do not come from men or the governments they create, they cannot be taken away by them. Only God has the right to suspend natural rights, such as the right of self-defense, and last I heard He has not done so. Others may have or acquire the power to do this but they do NOT have the right.
For millions of Americans, guns are as common as golf clubs, baseballs, footballs or any other sporting equipment people have around the house. Other than the obvious need to be careful with them, as with vehicles, matches, gasoline, knives, etc., guns are nothing different from anything else. This is what so many people cannot relate to, especially if they’ve grown up in a family or country where firearms are considered “dangerous”. Too many people get their opinions from television and movies, they don’t think for themselves anymore. My firearms have never done any harm. Firearms for me are as much a part of life as basketball, football, or golf. The fact that there are some “bad” people in the world who murder, rape, steal, stab, shoot people, etc. just has very little to do with me. I do none of those things, and have no inclination to do so, and that is also true of my guns.
Agreed. Other than target shooting and plinking, my other favorite sport is bowling. It’s just like shooting only I use a REALLY HUGE but slow bullet!
Of course, the next time some ‘tard drops a bowling ball off an overpass and into traffic I suppose that we will all be treated to a fresh round of liberal whining and crying about bowling ball registration, safety classes, etc. ad nauseum.
Your right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
in·fringe
/inˈfrinj/
Verb
Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.): “infringe a copyright”.
Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: “infringe on his privacy”.
Synonyms
violate – transgress – break – contravene – trespass
So any regulation on guns is undermining the constitution.
Just like the free speech zones lol.
Face it, there is no debate, the politicians are coming for all the guns.
I will be a criminal soon just because I live in Cali and keep my keltek and
Moss burg. So be it.
“Face it, there is no debate, the politicians are coming for all the guns.”
If they actually had the balls to come and get them, I would at least have a bit of respect for them. But nooooo, they will assign that task to someone else so that they can risk their lives carrying out this idiotic policy. If I was a LEO and was ordered to collect guns, I would drive around all day and report that there were none to be found. “Honest, Chief, they must’ve sold or hidden them. I couldn’t find a single one!”.
As someone who was on the floor at the Republican National Convention in Detroit in 1980, I am in disbelief that I am nodding in agreement with Steve Lendman. Thank you “shrub” for waking me up. Currently on Max Keiser’s site there is a snippet of the Neocon Mark Levin worrying about the tyranny he and his buddies like McCain, Graham and Lieberman helped create. Is it too little, too late? I think so.
Sean, I listened to this interview and deducted from it that Steven has a problem of confused logic. He regales the ownership of weapons of self defence but near the end of the interview he berates (for want of a better word), no, questions, the logic of those who won’t fight the good fight with this statement; “What about your children? What about your grandchildren? Won’t you fight for them?”
Boy! With what? A quilled pen? There are stages of resistance Steven. First your ideal is attacked by your opponent. (Intellectually at first.) Secondly, you respond in like manner. Thirdly they aggressively (legislate into law) attack your freedoms. Once again, you defend your rights, (civilly in court). They deny your petitions (a la King George) and criminalise your demands for your natural rights to freedom. Then the forces of government (if they can’t win a debate, they resort to their standing armies) insist that you comply to their demands (laws). With their guns, or swords, or knives,, or arrows or sling shots, or spears, or gangs, or enforcer, you are FORCED to comply on penalty of arrest on in Obamma’s case, executive ordered hit. Tyrant!
Now what are we left to fight with, Steve? Intellectual high-ground ideals? I don’t want to die knowing my ideas are righteous; I want to know that if I die, I have held in my hands an implement capable of defending my love ones from an invader of my sovereign space.
Steven, what is a revolution and why have there been revolutions? Why were they necessary? If a revolution (a last resort) were to be successful, how were the revolutionaries able to succeed? Who are revolutionaries? Mercenaries? No. They were of and by the people, people demanding liberty.
Steven, you are confused OR or maybe you have a role to play in the initial stages of the revolution as the Ideas Man. Thank you for that. There may still be a little time for intellectual discourse, but that time is running out., “cos, someone’s at the door!
You may want to read this Military Law Review Article(Spring 1992)on the Militia and the 2nd Amendment. It covers everything about how it came about. http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/fieldsandhardy.html
Facts are much better than conhecture. Happy research.
Just because you realize Obama is a national socialist tool of corporate oppression, does not necessarily mean that you get the whole non-initiation-of-force, good people bearing arms are still good people, and promote a peaceful, and crime free environment, only gold coinage is money, every man is sovereign, Misean, Rothbardian, Anarchocapitalism is paradise, or at least as close as man can come, libertarian paradigm. It dosen’t mean that Lendman is stupid, or evil, it just means that he is not as good, or as intelligent as me.
Hey SGT,
to be honest, I would prefer to be dead than refer to Stephen Lendswoman as my friend.
Here is a clip of Stephen on Crosstalk looking like the self loathing American living on stolen native soil idiot that he is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5au3uqqeN2I
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